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Life when healthy and free is its own reward. In that scenario there is no difference between destroying what makes yourself happy and choosing to die other than death being even worse. The flaw that gets in the way of this is not life or an inherent part of life, it's the many circumstances that cause death and suffering. "You can die or you can continue to suffer" is coercion natural or not. "freedom to die" is not freedom.
Life when healthy and free is its own reward. In that scenario there is no difference between destroying what makes yourself happy and choosing to die other than death being even worse. The flaw that gets in the way of this is not life or an inherent part of life, it's the many circumstances that cause death and suffering. "You can die or you can continue to suffer" is coercion natural or not. "freedom to die" is not freedom.


Before humanity invented, they would not think the technological progress and control of the world humanity has in the 21st century is possible. We are nothing compared to what we can be. I don't care what life is or has been and neither should you, I care about what life should be and so should you.
Before humanity invented, they would not think the technological progress and control of the world humanity has in the 21st century is possible. We are nothing compared to what we can be. I don't care about what life is or has been and neither should you, I care about what life should be and so should you.


=== (Extra counter arguments to deathist arguments I've seen) ===
=== (Extra counter arguments to deathist arguments I've seen) ===

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File:Anarcho-Immortalism.png Anti-Deathism is an off-compass libertarian left, hyper-transhumanist and culturally progressive ideology. This ideology advocates for the abolishment of death, dominance, gender roles, and predation. And a society where all communities are locally organized with different groups organizing together to form unions that vote on policy and elect/randomly select councils of delegates who can be retracted at any time who would form a council and enact policy based directly on votes, those councils then linking together with other councils on different municipal levels to form a federal council that works to organize and facilitate resources and supplies necessary for the local councils to be able to perform their duties adequately and can help to enact policy on a national level as a mediator. All that is collectively used is collectively owned. People participate because they will see the fruits of their labor in the society that sustains them. No one will be forced into working, all work will be voluntary, individuals and their co workers will make decisions together. People get what they want by taking what they need from a library of things or saying they want it in an anonymous wish list then when they select things all the materials that are needed to make said thing are registered, and people who are best suited to making them are notified. People will get special things like particularly excellent food or social reward for example by doing needed but taxing work. Collectively owned automation taking care of most things anyway. With a people's militia made of every member of the community to take care of crime where it would exist. And unkillable immortality with the ability of choosing to store and remember memories by choice. And to prevent all extinction events including any possible death of the universe. No one being allowed/able to die increases liberty, (read the philosophy section to know why).

A hypothetical where nothing is impossible to think about what my philosophy would do with that.

Life to have control over all non-life, and to achieve maximum possible freedom for all life. Every being that ever existed and if dead resurrected to have any ethical therapy needed to be ethical and healthy individuals that reject death. With all who chose to allow/cause unprovoked ruin/end of life publicly accept responsibility and apologize, then go to who they harmed and ask personally what they could do. (The victims also have therapy and such so whatever it is, it won't be too extreme.) Then be integrated into this society. And redesigned reality itself to maximize life's benefit. Go back in time to prevent oppression from ever existing and go back to the past to start civilization at the start of the universe so civilization can progress until the end of the universe, at which point it goes back to the start in so it can be guarantied to stop that end.

Philosophy

To have experience there must be you to experience it, such as the experience of reading this. There is a you here to experience the thought of this, absence of you can't experience anything. This line of logic is how you can know you exist and so are separate from the inanimate/dead.

You can conceptualize a contrast between suffering and non-suffering, to have the contrast you would need to experience what it is like to not suffer, making non-suffering an experience. You don't see black in death, there's no you to see black. Non-suffering is itself an experience and the concept of experience can't exist in death. The burden of proof is on every other understanding of death.

Someone not being allowed to have experiences without them having a say in the matter is what all death does, not just "early death". Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good. People who think death creates meaning actually find meaning in what they think death is important for, but not death itself. Only living people for themselves can decide what to live for and so death as the end of life is the end of meaning.

Life when healthy and free is its own reward. In that scenario there is no difference between destroying what makes yourself happy and choosing to die other than death being even worse. The flaw that gets in the way of this is not life or an inherent part of life, it's the many circumstances that cause death and suffering. "You can die or you can continue to suffer" is coercion natural or not. "freedom to die" is not freedom.

Before humanity invented, they would not think the technological progress and control of the world humanity has in the 21st century is possible. We are nothing compared to what we can be. I don't care about what life is or has been and neither should you, I care about what life should be and so should you.

(Extra counter arguments to deathist arguments I've seen)

Understanding of the gravity of actions and experiences is more important if immortal when one realizes that they really are permanent.

What makes humanity human is consciousness, not death.

The idea that the matter you're made of not turning to nothing can count as continuing to exist is absurd, you don't exist in inanimate objects now, so why would you become "one with everything" upon death?

Children feel a reason to live without any understanding of death, one that can still exist in fully developed minds. And people can and do have the reaction of feeling that there is no reason to live with death.

Albert Einstein said time is an illusion however to use this to justify the idea that existing in the past means you'll always exist is absurd, you cannot experience points in the past as if they were the now, even if you count perfect memory as doing that then what makes you think you could do it without a brain capable of it? You don't exist in the past and death wouldn't change that.

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  • File:HelloThere314Icon.pngHelloThere314ism - "While one can seek subjective meaning it becomes nullified by death. This essential pointlessness is what sets us free! Free to simply live." Meaning isn't some kind of oppressive thing, to want to be free means you see meaning in being free.
  • File:Bsaheedism-icon.pngBsaheedism - Don't know what you believe now, I rarely check up on pcb so probably won't for a while.
  • File:Mutualist.pngTemplate:PCB - This is an interesting ideology but not the best. One can give you their own made up token in exchange for you cleaning their house and you'll say no because it's made up. But if there are armed guards who will only let you out for the token, then you'll want it.
  • -- - Seems nice. But I hate the anti-anarchism.
  • File:MrsVzr.pngChaosocialism - It's not an "obsession", I want to have an ideal world. And death is in the way of that.
  • Euanism
  • Scarletism - No, all AuthLefts are bad. "Social movements should not use the means of seizing state power to achieve the ends of socialism because it would not result in the abolition of all forms of class rule, the minority of people who actually wield state power in the name of the workers such as politicians or bureaucrats would instead constitute a new ruling class who dominate and exploit the working classes and focus on reproducing and expanding that power rather then abolishing it."
  • File:Cflski.pngCelfloskism - Be more anti-authoritarian please.

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